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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13223</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jim, if you can&#039;t add anything intelligent to the conversation, try to be a comedian.  If you dispute anything I&#039;ve said, let&#039;s hear your point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jim, if you can&#8217;t add anything intelligent to the conversation, try to be a comedian.  If you dispute anything I&#8217;ve said, let&#8217;s hear your point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13196</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, let me guess...Diane stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, let me guess&#8230;Diane stayed at a Holiday Inn last night?</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13154</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I take issue with your use of inflection/semantics to imply ERC would not be biased in their assessment of damage caused by a project that is specifically for the benefit of the St Joe Company for whom ERC performs work/takes money.  ERC has an inherent conflict of interest.  

Because ERC has a conflict of interest does not in itself mean they acted inappropriately.  However, on May 19th, ERC employee Joe Schuster told the airport authority that there was no sediment accumulation in Burnt Mill and Crooked Creek - that is a flat out lie and we have the documentation to prove it.  

On May 18th, I went up Morell Branch (via Burnt Mill) to about 10 feet from the tree line.  A log blocked further access.  The water was about 1.5 feet deep.  Lots of sedimentation was visible on the bottom and vegetation, same as a week after the rain.  There was still a high level of turbidity.  This was shortly after it was reported the contractor was discharging standing water from the runway.       

You have to ask yourself - was ERC the only environmental consultant the AA could find for this job?  With all the &quot;whistle blowing&quot; environmentalists watching this so closely, you would think the AA would want to avoid even an appearance of conflict of interest.  It&#039;s arrogance.  They know no local media, or bloggers, are going to expose the uncomfortable facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I take issue with your use of inflection/semantics to imply ERC would not be biased in their assessment of damage caused by a project that is specifically for the benefit of the St Joe Company for whom ERC performs work/takes money.  ERC has an inherent conflict of interest.  </p>
<p>Because ERC has a conflict of interest does not in itself mean they acted inappropriately.  However, on May 19th, ERC employee Joe Schuster told the airport authority that there was no sediment accumulation in Burnt Mill and Crooked Creek &#8211; that is a flat out lie and we have the documentation to prove it.  </p>
<p>On May 18th, I went up Morell Branch (via Burnt Mill) to about 10 feet from the tree line.  A log blocked further access.  The water was about 1.5 feet deep.  Lots of sedimentation was visible on the bottom and vegetation, same as a week after the rain.  There was still a high level of turbidity.  This was shortly after it was reported the contractor was discharging standing water from the runway.       </p>
<p>You have to ask yourself &#8211; was ERC the only environmental consultant the AA could find for this job?  With all the &#8220;whistle blowing&#8221; environmentalists watching this so closely, you would think the AA would want to avoid even an appearance of conflict of interest.  It&#8217;s arrogance.  They know no local media, or bloggers, are going to expose the uncomfortable facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13151</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troy, why do you jump to the conclusion that Jason is the only person who actually went to the creeks?  I&#039;ve been on the creeks and branches twice since the stormwater event.  I&#039;ve seen first hand the impacts that I&#039;ve posted about, and I&#039;ve personally talked to fisherman and residents.  There are close up photos and video of the damage.  There are water testing results of the damage, including those taken by the contractor.  You won&#039;t find the documents on &quot;The New PFN&quot; site, but you can get them from the airport or DEP. A website for the consent order is posted above.

People without a scientific background may not understand the gravity of the huge amount of mud in the aerial photos flowing down the creeks and into West Bay, but I am not sure why anyone cannot correlate DEP&#039;s issuance of a consent order and imposition of nearly  half a million dollar fine with significant damage.  As lax as DEP is, we can assume even this large amount doesn&#039;t begin to match the full impact of this event, nor especially any cleanup attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy, why do you jump to the conclusion that Jason is the only person who actually went to the creeks?  I&#8217;ve been on the creeks and branches twice since the stormwater event.  I&#8217;ve seen first hand the impacts that I&#8217;ve posted about, and I&#8217;ve personally talked to fisherman and residents.  There are close up photos and video of the damage.  There are water testing results of the damage, including those taken by the contractor.  You won&#8217;t find the documents on &#8220;The New PFN&#8221; site, but you can get them from the airport or DEP. A website for the consent order is posted above.</p>
<p>People without a scientific background may not understand the gravity of the huge amount of mud in the aerial photos flowing down the creeks and into West Bay, but I am not sure why anyone cannot correlate DEP&#8217;s issuance of a consent order and imposition of nearly  half a million dollar fine with significant damage.  As lax as DEP is, we can assume even this large amount doesn&#8217;t begin to match the full impact of this event, nor especially any cleanup attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13148</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jobeibi, I wish there were pre-construction photos to compare to the latest event, but I guess the testimonials of those who live on and use the creek regularly affirming the April event was by far the worst that has ever occurred, will have to do, along with the volumes of scientific data analysis that provides the real proof.

Keep in mind that tidal action in the creeks dilutes the water.  But it does not remove the stormwater sediment that settles on the bottom, smothering organisims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jobeibi, I wish there were pre-construction photos to compare to the latest event, but I guess the testimonials of those who live on and use the creek regularly affirming the April event was by far the worst that has ever occurred, will have to do, along with the volumes of scientific data analysis that provides the real proof.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that tidal action in the creeks dilutes the water.  But it does not remove the stormwater sediment that settles on the bottom, smothering organisims.</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13145</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense to anyone, but, if there&#039;s one thing I know, Jason doesn&#039;t lie. He&#039;s been reporting on various topics around Panama City Beach for quite some time. Not only that, but he&#039;s actually researches his topics before ever writing about them. Hell, look at this post. He&#039;s the only one I know who actually WENT to the creeks to see what others were talking about. I don&#039;t know any other contributor (to any site for that matter) that&#039;s actually gone out before they write something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense to anyone, but, if there&#8217;s one thing I know, Jason doesn&#8217;t lie. He&#8217;s been reporting on various topics around Panama City Beach for quite some time. Not only that, but he&#8217;s actually researches his topics before ever writing about them. Hell, look at this post. He&#8217;s the only one I know who actually WENT to the creeks to see what others were talking about. I don&#8217;t know any other contributor (to any site for that matter) that&#8217;s actually gone out before they write something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: jobeibi</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13144</link>
		<dc:creator>jobeibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But are there any pre-construction photos of the area after a heavy rain?  There is always some level of runoff after a storm, and Google Earth photos are as likely to be taken during a dry season as a wet one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But are there any pre-construction photos of the area after a heavy rain?  There is always some level of runoff after a storm, and Google Earth photos are as likely to be taken during a dry season as a wet one.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13136</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, for pre-construction conditions of the site, check Google Earth, which is year 2005 images.  Also, PBS&amp;J prepared an analysis of the natural resources on the site, including threatened species, that the airport submitted to the county with the Detailed Specific Area Plan. Ground surveys report the site was covered with vegetation, wetlands, streams, springs.  An environmental assessment submitted to the court by Natural Resources Defense Council predicted the stormwater runoff problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, for pre-construction conditions of the site, check Google Earth, which is year 2005 images.  Also, PBS&amp;J prepared an analysis of the natural resources on the site, including threatened species, that the airport submitted to the county with the Detailed Specific Area Plan. Ground surveys report the site was covered with vegetation, wetlands, streams, springs.  An environmental assessment submitted to the court by Natural Resources Defense Council predicted the stormwater runoff problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13134</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, people concerned about the recent airport runoff are not judging on one &quot;select photo.&quot;  In addition to numerous photos, there is a large body of scientific data from DEP, the contractor, and other sources that shows the contractor failed to prevent massive mud/sediment runoff from the site. This includes the contractor&#039;s reports of 72 incidents (and this is just what was actually reported) between March &#039;08 and April &#039;09 of &quot;water quality standard exceedances for turbidity in Kelly Branch and Morell Branch.&quot; [tributaries of Crooked and Burnt Mill Creeks]  (quoted from DEP Consent Order issued against the Airport Authority).  

&quot;Mud&quot; is not just wet dirt.  Dirt contains sediment that causes turbidity in water.  Lots of dirt/sediment causes high levels of turbidity.  High levels of turbidity, like that photographed and confirmed with water testing, destroy habitat and food sources in the food chain of fish -- no safe place to grow, no food -- no fish.  Further, continued or repeated high turbidity levels kill the creatures and vegetation that keep the water fresh enough to swim in.   

There is post-runoff video of large amounts of destructive mud/sediment attached to vegetation where Kelly Branch enters into Crooked Creek and where Morell Branch enters Burnt Mill Creek (apparently unseen by the airport/St Joe consultant).  Any legitimate scientist would acknowledge this was not a natural occurrence from a heavy rain storm, and that it, indeed, caused considerable damage to these resources, including unmeasured damage beyond that visible, and will continue to do so because of the topography of the airport site and the surrounding acres of water-saturated swamp land.

There are at least 23 photos on westbeaches.com that show a huge amount of mud/sediment throughout Crooked and Burnt Mill Creeks below the airport site. See the photo showing the plume of sediment at the mouth of Morell Branch as it enters Burnt Mill.  DEP documentation/photos show that stormwater in the water bodies north of the airport site moved massive amounts of the fill dirt as it washed across the site, seeking its natural path toward the creeks through Morell and Kelly branches (you can&#039;t fool Mother Nature, not even with 3 million cubic yards of fill dirt).  DEP report:  &quot;The inspector walked approximately 50 yards into Morell Branch and the sediment was approximately two feet deep.&quot;  The contractor&#039;s tests show this dirt caused high levels of turbidity in Morell Branch.  The photo of the plume documents the sediment in Morell Branch running into Burnt Mill Creek.  

Fishermen and property owners on Burnt Mill say that before airport construction began, they would see muddy runoff in the creek after a rain storm, but that it would be gone within a few hours.  They also say the muddy water/turbidity has significantly increased since construction began.  

You cannot live or fish on these creeks and not be saddened in your heart and soul by the damage, that will only get worse.  These creeks will be putrefied decades before this area is developed to the point an airport of this size (larger than Tampa International) would be necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, people concerned about the recent airport runoff are not judging on one &#8220;select photo.&#8221;  In addition to numerous photos, there is a large body of scientific data from DEP, the contractor, and other sources that shows the contractor failed to prevent massive mud/sediment runoff from the site. This includes the contractor&#8217;s reports of 72 incidents (and this is just what was actually reported) between March &#8217;08 and April &#8217;09 of &#8220;water quality standard exceedances for turbidity in Kelly Branch and Morell Branch.&#8221; [tributaries of Crooked and Burnt Mill Creeks]  (quoted from DEP Consent Order issued against the Airport Authority).  </p>
<p>&#8220;Mud&#8221; is not just wet dirt.  Dirt contains sediment that causes turbidity in water.  Lots of dirt/sediment causes high levels of turbidity.  High levels of turbidity, like that photographed and confirmed with water testing, destroy habitat and food sources in the food chain of fish &#8212; no safe place to grow, no food &#8212; no fish.  Further, continued or repeated high turbidity levels kill the creatures and vegetation that keep the water fresh enough to swim in.   </p>
<p>There is post-runoff video of large amounts of destructive mud/sediment attached to vegetation where Kelly Branch enters into Crooked Creek and where Morell Branch enters Burnt Mill Creek (apparently unseen by the airport/St Joe consultant).  Any legitimate scientist would acknowledge this was not a natural occurrence from a heavy rain storm, and that it, indeed, caused considerable damage to these resources, including unmeasured damage beyond that visible, and will continue to do so because of the topography of the airport site and the surrounding acres of water-saturated swamp land.</p>
<p>There are at least 23 photos on westbeaches.com that show a huge amount of mud/sediment throughout Crooked and Burnt Mill Creeks below the airport site. See the photo showing the plume of sediment at the mouth of Morell Branch as it enters Burnt Mill.  DEP documentation/photos show that stormwater in the water bodies north of the airport site moved massive amounts of the fill dirt as it washed across the site, seeking its natural path toward the creeks through Morell and Kelly branches (you can&#8217;t fool Mother Nature, not even with 3 million cubic yards of fill dirt).  DEP report:  &#8220;The inspector walked approximately 50 yards into Morell Branch and the sediment was approximately two feet deep.&#8221;  The contractor&#8217;s tests show this dirt caused high levels of turbidity in Morell Branch.  The photo of the plume documents the sediment in Morell Branch running into Burnt Mill Creek.  </p>
<p>Fishermen and property owners on Burnt Mill say that before airport construction began, they would see muddy runoff in the creek after a rain storm, but that it would be gone within a few hours.  They also say the muddy water/turbidity has significantly increased since construction began.  </p>
<p>You cannot live or fish on these creeks and not be saddened in your heart and soul by the damage, that will only get worse.  These creeks will be putrefied decades before this area is developed to the point an airport of this size (larger than Tampa International) would be necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Pictures of Morrell Branch &#38; Burnt Mill Creek &#8212; The New PFN</title>
		<link>http://www.pcbdaily.com/despite-reports-new-airport-has-little-environmental-damage#comment-13119</link>
		<dc:creator>Pictures of Morrell Branch &#38; Burnt Mill Creek &#8212; The New PFN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] His full report is posted here. [...]</description>
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